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g'day and welcome to the show and i hope it's\h
a good one this week in a variety of ways we're\h\h

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going to be asking why some big stories on the\h
subject of uap's unidentified aerial phenomena\h\h

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don't get the coverage they deserve in the\h
established media right now though let me welcome\h\h

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my colleague across the ditch in la bryce zabal\h
good day bryce good day hello rosco can i call you\h\h

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roscoe that's okay right yeah well it's been hot\h
and super windy out here in los angeles to tell\h\h

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you the truth and that has everyone's attention\h
out here because this week they released a report\h\h

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about our so-called mega drought that we're having\h
which was pretty shocking we broke in another\h\h

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record it turns out that the last 22 years here\h
in los angeles now rank is the driest year since\h\h

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i hope you're ready for this the driest years\h
in 1200 years since 800 a.d and if you need a\h\h

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reference on that for those of you that actually\h
paid attention in history class charlemagne was\h\h

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getting a crown on his head the last time it was\h
this dry and hot out here in socal anyway ross uh\h\h

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i woke up today to the news that uh the beaches\h
out near where you are are getting shut down over\h\h

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a fatal shark attack what do you know about that\h
oh it's a shocker i've actually swum off that very\h\h

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point where that poor fella simon nellist who's\h
the first fatal shark attack in sydney in 60 years\h\h

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i've swum i'm a very keen diver myself i free dive\h
and snorkel and spearfish and uh that particular\h\h

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point off little bay in the eastern suburbs of\h
sydney is one of the most beautiful diving spots\h\h

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it's such a tragedy and the thing i always\h
get frightened of is all my american friends\h\h

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immediately think that australia everything kills\h
you you know it's so dangerous here don't come\h\h

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it's actually not as dangerous as people think and\h
i've swum in the water many many times and i've\h\h

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seen sharks including once a great white shark in\h
the water and i did get out very quickly but more\h\h

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often than not they leave you alone yeah i feel\h
like i'm doing a podcast with ernest hemingway or\h\h

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something sometimes i mean that's that's fantastic\h
i know that when my family was in australia\h\h

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in december of 2019 we spent most of our time\h
with family members reading the internet about\h\h

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the prevalence of sharks at various beaches we\h
were going to try to swim at but it all turned\h\h

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out okay but you know the whole shark story does\h
strike pretty close to home because like australia\h\h

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out here in california we have plenty of coastal\h
area and we also have sharks and we actually ended\h\h

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last year 2021 with a fatal shark attack of our\h
own up near morro bay where um a surfer died uh\h\h

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on christmas eve very tragically so you know it's\h
uh it's life can be dangerous uh but i'm sure\h\h

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australia isn't that much more dangerous than\h
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you know what's interesting to me though about\h
these attacks are overall they're just extremely\h\h

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rare i mean that's the one thing you understand\h
from any of the news coverage they just don't\h\h

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happen very often when they do happen you know\h
it's shocking to people but what i thought was\h\h

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interesting is they do generate maximum news\h
coverage because i literally woke up today\h\h

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uh checked my phone and a sydney shark attack was\h
the top of my news for the day uh sort of alerting\h\h

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me to this news people like to cover these kind\h
of things of course but it did make me wonder you\h\h

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know what's going on with all this news coverage\h
we'll cover shark attacks but we won't cover uap\h\h

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and ufos quite the way that we should even though\h
they seem much more prevalent than shark attacks\h\h

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what's up with that um i i think it's starting\h
to change bryce and it's interesting because\h\h

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there's a tv network that um i used to work for\h
called channel nine here that did a story on\h\h

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uaps this week they they they had ryan graves on\h
and avi loeb professor avilob so i think there is\h\h

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the beginning of a change but let's just get into\h
the meat of what we want to talk about this week\h\h

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the ish the issues behind the uap mystery that are\h
not getting the attention they deserve and i think\h\h

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one of the big ones is why is the navy taking\h
the lead on the most recent pentagon disclosures\h\h

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where's the air force in all of this and you and i\h
were talking about this a week or so ago and then\h\h

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chris mellon came out with an absolute zinger\h
of an article the former uh assistant deputy uh\h\h

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secretary of defense for intelligence\h
chris mellon did an article in the debrief\h\h

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on the 3rd of february why is the air force awol\h
absent without leave on the uap issue and boy\h\h

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it was a real spit in the eye to the pentagon\h
susan goff's assertions that all the military\h\h

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departments take any incursion by any unauthorized\h
aircraft very seriously mellon gave them what we\h\h

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would call here a complete bollocking he sure\h
did it was a real serious takedown and it was\h\h

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extensive it just went on and on in particular\h
about the assets that the u.s air force actually\h\h

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has at its disposal if it wants to see things in\h
our atmosphere and they have significant resources\h\h

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as you would imagine they would have given\h
that they've gotten billions of dollars\h\h

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over a sustained period of time to build all these\h
systems so they have more eyes on the sky than\h\h

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even the u.s navy does i'm quite sure and yet they\h
talk about it less and what's interesting to me\h\h

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is that um there's a historical piece of this\h
whole puzzle which is at the beginning in 1947\h\h

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when the we had that famous summer of saucers\h
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there wasn't even an air force there was an army\h
air force and then they created an air force in\h\h

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1947 and the whole flying saucer thing kind of got\h
dumped on the air force's front steps and they did\h\h

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a lot of reports about it mostly to themselves\h
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so they had the even though they weren't being\h
transparent as they probably should have been\h\h

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they were at least perceived by the public as\h
the people in charge of things and now since 2017\h\h

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since those three navy videos came out uh through\h
the new york times reporting it's all navy all\h\h

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the time and and it is curious but let's be clear\h
about this price for our audience the the us air\h\h

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force is being accused by mellon who's a former\h
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it's essentially accused of being obstructive\h
to investigations into the uap issue he's he's\h\h

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basically suggesting that they're not responding\h
that they're falsely asserting that there is no\h\h

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data and basically he's put the challenge to them\h
he said you know are we really meant to believe\h\h

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the us air force didn't detect any uap from 2004\h
until 2021 when the us navy reported 144 incidents\h\h

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of which 143 could not be explained and and i\h
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the us air force more than any other arm of the\h
military has got technology that allows it to see\h\h

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things that frankly would detect anomalous objects\h
in either space or the atmosphere or indeed\h\h

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underwater there's the solid state phased array\h
radar system the space fence there's some sort of\h\h

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global infrasound acoustic monitoring and it's\h
it's amazing because officially the us air force\h\h

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never talks about this stuff it doesn't fess up\h
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the the us army air force before it became the\h
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us air force in the late 40s and the early 50s\h
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u.s air force and the u.s navy to actually engage\h
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if there was a deliberate decision by the u.s air\h
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by essentially just stopping talking about it and\h
did it have something to do with the washington\h\h

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flyover and other incidents such as the\h
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about which is um norad radars picking up objects\h
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the us air force is actually being deliberately\h
obstructive which is one hell of an allegation but\h\h

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i do think there's some substance to it well there\h
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jump back to that historical uh issue and that\h
the historical record of the air force but let\h\h

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me just underline for our listeners and viewers\h
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uh the office of the director of national\h
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and it was released on june 25th of 2021 and as\h
you just mentioned ross there were 144 cases they\h\h

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were directed to look into cases between 2004 and\h
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uh fantastically were unexplained and and were\h
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out of uh chris mellon's article in the debrief\h
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either all came from the u.s navy or almost all\h
of them came from the u.s navy which is outrageous\h\h

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obviously the air force has a global grasp on\h
this issue just as the u.s navy i mean granted\h\h

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the navy is out sailing the seven seas if you will\h
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in this regard and for them to say gosh we really\h
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it's what's got the gall uh and of of a lot of\h
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but it's not just melon by the way it's also he's\h
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of certain key members of our congress which we're\h
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frustrated with it now just to the point of the\h
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after 1947 whether again there was a crash at\h
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all over the world and some really phenomenal ones\h
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over flights many of these things we've covered in\h
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public facing front on this thing so for example\h
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it was an air force general that had to go out and\h
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post that 1952 overflight was the largest press\h
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world war ii it was of that uh of that ilk now\h
what was the consequence it was coming up with\h\h

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project blue book which many people believe had a\h
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in this new topic of ufos but they continued\h
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some of the more serious cases so it is kind of\h
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disagree bryce with some confidence that that all\h
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to project blue book by the air force were\h
cover-ups that they basically had the the uh\h\h

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the uh implicit edict from up high you're not\h
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too upset and too excited um and i think the\h
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the robertson panel which was essentially the\h
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made very very clear that the policy of the uh\h
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and shut down public commentary on the on the\h
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remember there was a scientist who was attached\h
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inadvertently admitting just at the very beginning\h
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handed in its report that the whole thing was\h
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condon was to basically shut down the the public\h
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the question in my mind though bryce is is the\h
explanation that the u.s air force is presiding\h\h

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over some dark cover-up have they got a flying\h
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as simple as and i always work on the assumption\h
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could it be as simple as the us air force\h
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idea what's going on and that it's frankly\h
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ensure the security of the united states as\h
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conference with those with that as my content for\h
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a change in air force behavior historically that\h
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of course is true and but initially after the\h
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project grudge that became a project sign which\h
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we got to blue book were not for the public grudge\h
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they were internal documents that the air force\h
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what was going on it included the famous twining\h
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fictitious but these were circulated inside the\h
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only when the freedom of information act really\h
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got their hands on a lot of those documents\h
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interesting is before blue book uh there was a uh\h
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there was an estimate of the situation prepared\h
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that it was an extraterrestrial issue and when it\h
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this thing and say i'm not passing this on and it\h
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brought in and they came up with a different uh\h
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been as you you know if you to follow your logic\h
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have been thinking to themselves how are we\h
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totally prepared if you it doesn't look like for\h
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the transparency issues that are happening and i\h
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and screaming into our present day just coming\h
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the foi that i find interesting is as a result\h
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clinton and obama there are files now on the\h
record showing the u.s air force was involved in\h\h

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retrievals for a project called moon dust and i\h
think this is important because there was a unit\h\h

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that the us air command created in 1953 called\h
the 460 second air intelligence service squadron\h\h

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and they were essentially a covert unit\h
to collect ufos from the field i mean it's\h\h

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amazing howard blum who's a respected new york\h
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there where he basically said that the um the moon\h
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extraterrestrial origin so i do think there's a\h
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and i do think they're hiding something well we're\h
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moon dust and all that in our third segment here\h
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retrievals and whether that's a thing or not but\h
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we do seem to have an intra service rivalry\h
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but the two services the two service branches\h
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differently and uh obviously the people in the\h
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new reports from the office of the director\h
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out of patience with complete stonewalling now\h
i don't know who wins that fight do you do you\h\h

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think that fight will be resolved in in 2022 are\h
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on october 31st of 2022 do you think the air\h
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officials who preside over your air force will\h
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is your government by the people for the people\h
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whether the requirements imposed in the ndia the\h
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actually follow through um i think we've come to\h
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air force is playing whack-a-mole with this whole\h
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the coverage they might actually deserve over the\h
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year we've heard more high officials and i mean\h
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about the ufo and the uap issue but when you just\h
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drip drip drip you kind of hear it you're shocked\h
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at the same time pretty shocking pretty amazing\h
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it's quite extraordinary it really does make\h
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congresswomen and women it's amazing you've just\h
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failed to pick up on the fact that there are now\h
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extraordinary things yeah you know it's it's it's\h
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there is more coverage and it's less goofy\h
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the june 25th report from last year was a great\h
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through it was a little nine page report and\h
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story and then that was it um but you know for\h
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from some of these people i don't even know where\h
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is like an abundance of riches these are quotes\h
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few minutes folks to sort of just show you that\h
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let's do something about this and i have an open\h
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do you uh in fact i'll throw it to you ross do you\h
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too john ratcliffe who was trump's director\h
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television in the us and he basically said there\h
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public we're talking about objects that frankly\h
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our adversaries have technologies that are a\h
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it's not just a pilot or a satellite or some\h
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sensors that are picking up these things he's\h
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real going on and he's seen it he's been briefed\h
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he as he's indicated on numerous interviews if\h
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the detail and the briefings he's had they would\h
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that's your intelligence czar in the united states\h
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uh that that is difficult to explain and it's\h
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trump's guy he came in at the end of trump's\h
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it now biden's guy guy is actually a woman it's\h
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job as ratcliffe and she was uh on a public forum\h
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say anything quite as extreme as him but she\h
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the main issues that congress and others have been\h
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counterintelligence issues all right we can buy\h
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is there something else that we simply do not\h
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which might come extra terrestrially whoa okay\h
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of national intelligence using the et word i\h
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to put my favorite quote out there because\h
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and i was just like what what are we doing this is\h
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let's get everybody's head in this this is a man\h
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and he's as connected as anybody could be here's\h
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some of those videos from navy pilots and i must\h
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is defined in many different ways i think it's a\h
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that there's no other form of life anywhere\h
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phenomena we're going to be seeing is the result\h
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could involve some type of activity that some\h
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whoa come by me again uh mr\h
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the russians and the chinese but i don't\h
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he must have known what he was saying there's\h
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was just recently uh jim cemevan who's\h
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directorate of clandestine operations for the\h
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where he says they were essentially physically\h
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by some kind of non-human entity he said i\h
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it was an experience that happened to us while\h
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beings showed up it was upsetting now i i don't\h
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but the fact that somebody who has been a keeper\h
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inside the cia you know a guy who's essentially\h
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operations in the united states is claiming\h
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entities in his bedroom i don't think we\h
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think so we know it's being investigated it is\h
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russ you and i have worked in a number\h
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sent out on things don't always rise to that\h
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done my share of cat shows and things like that so\h
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desk anywhere that's read that and went holy\h
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and talk to him about i have one more that kind\h
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what is going on that nobody thinks\h
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i want to finish up with the cia directors because\h
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the cia but it's entirely different if you just\h
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going back to the beginning was a guy named roscoe\h
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is time for the truth to be brought out behind the\h
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concerned about ufos but through official secrecy\h
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unknown flying objects are nonsense okay that's\h
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one that fits in with your gem semi-van kind of\h
uh crazy talk this is from a former cia director\h\h

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james woolsey all right this is what he said again\h
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was going to be quoted he said there was one case\h
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aircraft stopped at 40 000 feet or so and not\h
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was going on i don't know does anybody know there\h
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occurred that i think that there will be a lot of\h
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several months or several years i'm not\h
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something is going on that is surprising to a\h
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an aircraft stops at 40 000 feet and that's\h
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tell me about it i wouldn't be the first\h
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but the interesting thing is a lot of them are\h
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director but a former senior cia analyst in the\h
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guy called john ramirez and john's been putting\h
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the last few months and i have to admit i was\h
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of the things he was saying and i was worried\h
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actually said that he was told formally inside the\h
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a secure compartmentalized information facility he\h
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that someone in the cia knows about a\h
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dismissed his lunatic tin oil tinfoil hat\h
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got a former cia director talking about aliens in\h
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talking about being secretly briefed about an\h
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when you i heard you reading that and i was\h
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it any more than you are but if we did say it\h
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reach on this podcast by saying that we're trying\h
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rational point of view would say okay i'm done\h
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obviously bought the whole ride and they're taking\h
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guys are going to be saying things like that it's\h
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neighbor down the street who said it at a barbecue\h
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you know activated by those kind of things and\h
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my friend you and i are going to have to do it and\h
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various arms of the military that these comments\h
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from the senior congressmen and senators who've\h
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carson and he said if it is otherworldly we have\h
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cell phone technology and why these images\h
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the 4 000 satellites that are orbiting the earth\h
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best technology the world has ever seen and we\h
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is quite an astonishing admission from a from a\h
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uh between the the house of representatives and\h
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senator and a republican a congress senator from\h
florida and they both have been very out front\h\h

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saying look this is a safety issue it's a national\h
security issue i'm not happy with what i've been\h\h

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told and i want to get to the bottom of it i mean\h
if we were just going to be reading comments right\h\h

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left and center uh we could probably do an entire\h
segment just uh you know we should probably bring\h\h

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actress in to read these it would be probably\h
better than you and me but another person who's\h\h

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been wildly out front is senator mitt romney who\h
was the republican nominee for president in 2012\h\h

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and let me just see if i can find the one that i\h
thought was so incredible from him you know what\h\h

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i'm not uh he just is the guy who's been willing\h
to say e.t out loud as well he's not saying\h\h

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he categorically he categorically ruled out that\h
it comes from foreign adversaries that whatever\h\h

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it is it's russian or chinese right he basically\h
said if they were if they were russian or\h\h

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chinese then that would suggest they've got a\h
technology that is in a whole different sphere\h\h

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than anything we understand and frankly china\h
and russia just aren't there and he said neither\h\h

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are we by the way now that's a good segue for\h
us because mitt romney said neither are we\h\h

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and he's one of those senators who's briefed in\h
because of his membership of different committees\h\h

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he's very likely had briefings confidential\h
briefings about the waived unacknowledged special\h\h

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access programs within the us government that\h
conceal secret defence and intelligence projects\h\h

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let's talk about let's dare to raise the story\h
that won't speak its name it's so controversial\h\h

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no one dare speak about it but let's just talk\h
about it for a moment bryce shall i say it say\h\h

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crash retrievals well now there you've gone\h
and said it it's like voldemort you've said it\h\h

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now what do we do i'm not afraid of anything my\h
friend but what i do think is that the bear in the\h\h

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room in this whole story is has the us government\h
contrary to the assertions that have been made\h\h

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by the white house and different officials has\h
it lied to the public has there in fact been\h\h

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crash retrievals i can't let you be the\h
only one that says it so i'll say it\h\h

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crash retrievals all right there i'm on\h
the record too and you'll all be on the\h\h

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record because we're going to come back in\h
a second and we'll be talking about that

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a lot of people listening or watching\h
today probably weren't even born in 1980\h\h

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1980 is important because that was the year where\h
the roswell crash which uh supposedly had happened\h\h

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in 1947 was first sort of brought again to the\h
public's attention uh when jesse marcel started\h\h

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talking about it publicly with researcher stanton\h
friedman and i remember very clearly at the time\h\h

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seeing that first little book about roswell in the\h
grocery store and and picking it up and reading\h\h

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it and thinking okay guys this is a bridge too\h
far crash saucers excuse me little green men\h\h

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you know i was not as evolved i guess as i\h
as i feel like i might be now but i didn't\h\h

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buy it i just thought this this is too much\h
now over the course of the years of course\h\h

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we have now realized that there are many cases\h
besides roswell that people are talking about\h\h

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and over time and distance there are and i know\h
ross you have been speaking to many people about\h\h

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this and doing your own original research and\h
i would like you to bring us up to date on that\h\h

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bryce i have to admit when i first saw\h
the stories about roswell and aztec and\h\h

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chihuahua and all of these other allegations of\h
recovered alien spacecraft in the californian or\h\h

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nevada utah desert wherever it just seems spurious\h
to me my instinct as a journalist is to go all\h\h

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this is rubbish and i know the the white house\h
has formally denied this they've basically said\h\h

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it's not true but the interesting thing is i can't\h
rule it out and my my my slow turn and realization\h\h

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is that there's something here that won't go away\h
there's too much smoking gun evidence it's not\h\h

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probative i don't believe that there's a beyond\h
reasonable doubt criminal burden of proof or even\h\h

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a civil burden of proof to make me satisfied\h
that it's real but what i do believe is that\h\h

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there's a phenomenon there that deserves further\h
investigation what about you well i've certainly\h\h

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come around on the roswell issue over the years\h
i've done a lot of research on it i've optioned\h\h

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a couple of books i've spent many hours many\h
many hours talking with stanton friedman and\h\h

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don schmidt about it two of the top researchers on\h
this i'm convinced uh but i did still feel like i\h\h

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was a little bit out on the edge of that one but\h
it turns out i got some unique help this week lou\h\h

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elizondo apparently has been on the man who's\h
done the podcast circuit as much as anybody has\h\h

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said this week somebody asked him about roswell\h
and he said he was a hundred percent on roswell\h\h

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now he said that was just 100 on what about\h
roswell he was 100 that it was a crash a crash\h\h

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of of an otherworldly craft and uh i believe chris\h
mellon has intimated the same thing and the reason\h\h

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i believe uh the crash wreckage may be a thing\h
is that so many people are talking about it as if\h\h

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it is a thing people who seem to know a lot and i\h
know that you get a lot of people because of your\h\h

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book being out and and it being so well researched\h
and so well received you're probably getting a lot\h\h

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of people calling you who are talking sort of off\h
the record what are they saying about these things

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so what are people telling me bryce so i'm being\h
told i think the the most memorable conversation\h\h

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that i had was with one particular guy who went on\h
the record which was quite extraordinary his name\h\h

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as you know was nat kobits former of director\h
of science and technology development for the us\h\h

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navy chief geek for the us navy and he admitted\h
to me after a few months of chatting that he was\h\h

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briefed in to a ufo retrieval program he flatly\h
asserted to me on the record on audio by the way\h\h

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that he was told that the united\h
states had recovered multiple craft\h\h

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spacecraft absolutely extraordinary allegation\h
and the the thing about it was as a result of\h\h

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speaking to him i was then put on to other\h
people who confirmed their knowledge of\h\h

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a program a program which is allegedly back\h
engineering dare i say it alien e.t technology\h\h

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that has been recovered by the us government and\h
i i still wrestle with this because even though\h\h

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i've got this guy on the record bryce there's a\h
journalist in me that is innately skeptical and\h\h

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cynical because the president no less barack obama\h
in 2011 through his science advisor went on the\h\h

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record and flatly denied categorically so there's\h
only one possibility well the two possibilities\h\h

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one is the president lied which i have to admit\h
i doubt or maybe the president was lied to maybe\h\h

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somebody's lied to us presidents i'll take your\h
number two i'll take door number two on that one\h\h

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i think that i think that presidents probably\h
haven't gotten the whole story particularly on\h\h

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this some maybe have and some maybe haven't but\h
um i'll tell you something we haven't done it\h\h

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on this show where we've actually played audio do\h
you think you might be uh up for playing the net\h\h

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cobits uh interview or at least parts of it no no\h
i don't think so he was a very very elderly man\h\h

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he was actually dying when i spoke to him\h
um okay that makes sense i think it would\h\h

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the thing i have is it actually causes family\h
quite a bit of distress let's not do that we're\h\h

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not here to do that we're here to find some uh\h
truth and information so um we'll call it a day\h\h

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at on on on this show i just have one headline\h
i want to throw out to people um i i get i don't\h\h

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know why but i guess i become a subject matter\h
expert on the betty and barney hill abduction case\h\h

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and discovery plus has a a two-hour documentary\h
coming out on february 18th which may actually\h\h

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be the day that this uh podcast is uh hitting the\h
streets so uh you know people might want to check\h\h

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that out and um and uh think about that as well\h
these are some esoteric parts to the piece of\h\h

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the puzzle and hopefully we can find and put\h
together the puzzle as our episodes continue\h\h

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so bryce we can never be 100 sure what to conclude\h
until for example to run back to what we talked\h\h

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about at the very beginning until we know exactly\h
what the us air force knows because i think\h\h

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the secret here if it goes back anywhere it goes\h
back to the u.s air force and just to underline\h\h

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what we were talking about at the beginning of\h
this podcast the us air force is being obstructive\h\h

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if it's true there's been crash retrievals\h
it's the u.s air force that knows all about it\h\h

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well maybe we'll be hauling some generals and\h
others into congress and asking them about that\h\h

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i can't wait if that is what happens may\h
not happen this year maybe next year but\h\h

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um you know i think we're we're on the on the\h
road so listen thanks to everybody for for tuning\h\h

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in and being part of our little world here at need\h
to know with coldheart and zabel um i'm happy that\h\h

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you were here and ross it's been great talking\h
to you again i i will uh i'll see you next time\h\h

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youtube rice let's uh let's keep on digging\h
my friend see you next time remember folks\h\h

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we can't handle the truth people get ready

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it's our time to come of age

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tell

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me to know

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we must wait our turn

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too much to learn

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it's our time to come of age

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tell

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to me

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you say it will blow my

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you mind

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things will fall apart no more fears

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foe tell me now

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we see the future

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can we live together

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this is the plan we say

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we need to know

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just a lost weather balloon an air force\h
spokesman confirms tonight that this was\h\h

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